coretta was very much involved in the antiwar movement from an earlier stage but again she was not a public figure so he could send her to essentially speak for him. >> host: again he proved dr. king right. >> guest: i think so. i think he is a visionary. i think he understood the connection between the anti-colonial movements that were going on around the world and understood how the cold war had prevented us from saying that we were on the wrong side, that because the communist movement had identified itself with anti-colonialism, many of these nationalist wanted to have the assistance of the soviet union so we sought entirely in cold war terms. >> host: my enemy's enemy is my friend. you were in the country during the vietnam era. why? >> guest: you know for me looking back it wasn't that difficult a choice because i knew i wasn't going to go into the military. >> host: how did you know you weren't going to go? redrafted? >> guest: i was drafted several times actually. i appealed to be as conscientious objector and that was turned down so it was really coming down to do i want to